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ptolemi
Jan. 6th, 2011 04:25 am (UTC)
Oh no, I love Scar :( I feel a bit violated now
pysch_colours
Jan. 24th, 2011 11:49 pm (UTC)
to be absolutely fair, the "be prepared" scenes were based on hitler's rallies at nuremberg.
that being said, though, i also think this is hideously inappropriate.
dreamsofpaprika
Jan. 26th, 2011 11:33 pm (UTC)


Yes, that's a well-known fact.

I made a post about it here:

http://community.livejournal.com/history_haven/10114.html


I just thought it a bit... Idk... immature to exploit it in fanart. Of course, I don't think the film is trying to provoke anything necessarily (aside from the fact that Walt Disney himself was anti-Semitic and anti-Communist supportive of Hitler's notions), I just think they were trying to create an effective and realistic villain inspired by a real world dictator.

pysch_colours
Jan. 26th, 2011 11:45 pm (UTC)
on the other hand, disney died in the sixties, and tlk is in the nineties.
and i definitely agree with you on the second part -- i mean, part of the reason hitler got to where he did was because of his speaking abilities and charisma, and it does do more to scar's characterisation.
i don't think it's immature, per se, to exploit the nuremberg reference, but it's first, not appropriate (comparing scar to hitler? don't you think the scope of the holocaust and the destruction caused by wwii deserves a little more remembrance than that) , and second, it's kind of digging to deeply, don't you think? like saying that, i don't know (bad comparison coming up) the prince in snow white was a necrophiliac because she was by all appearances dead. it's just a story, and this happens to be one of the ways to further and complexify (oh dear, making up my own words now) the story. it's not implying anything sinister (to my knowledge), there's really no subliminal messaging.

i don't know. ignore me. raging headache is raging.
dreamsofpaprika
Jan. 27th, 2011 02:51 am (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant by ''...aside from the fact that...'' meaning Disney wasn't alive at the time TLK was made, indicating he had no direct influence over the Hitler reference(s).

Right, they needed someone with that charisma, and though TLK was made during '93 and distributed in '94 during the South African elections for a reason, promoting Apartheid and NOT the Holocaust, Idi Amin wouldn't be the best charismatic appeal for inspiration. Hitler was a good public speaker, a rait Scar obviously possesses. His influence was also greater than that of Amin's, the reason for him gaining more followers than backstabbers.

Yeah, immature is not the correct word, but I can't think of another word to describe it. It does the tarnish the image of the Holocaust, however, but it's not sublime at all. Just advancing the complexities of a story, really, like you said. I just don't think people should... dig it, you know? I don't think the artist meant anything, though. But this image is a bit extreme, but I'm letting it slide, because it's the roots of TLK as a whole. Just because someone draws a Nazi swastika doesn't meant they're pro-anything. It's the concrete facts, here.

ljk979s
Jan. 28th, 2011 05:34 pm (UTC)
so incredibly wrong! nothing is funny about the holocaust and it definately shouldnt be satired with a disney film!
dreamsofpaprika
Jan. 29th, 2011 09:49 pm (UTC)

Right.
theorangethief
Apr. 27th, 2011 10:08 pm (UTC)
Well during the song "Be Prepared" in The Lion King the hyenas do act like the Third Riech so it is slightly appropriate...
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